We’re celebrating the holidays with the women of DC Comics and today I have … three wise women.
It’s time to celebrate the holidays with the women of DC and today we have a girl who knows how to have a Wonder of a Holiday!
Like a lot of folks, I’ve been saying for years that the Hollywood has been slinging bullshit for years about women and films.
Here’s what I said in an interview last year:
Well that’s Hollywood right? They have these beliefs, and even when there’s proof that they just might be wrong, there’s an excuse. First, you know who goes to movies more, men or women? The answer is WOMEN! What about the belief that only men will see a movie multiples times, but not women? They said that over and over again, until Titanic became one of the biggest grossing films ever. And then you get the line that women can’t open movies. Oh wait, Hunger Games. Snap. Or Twilight. Snap. Comedies starring women can’t open big. Whoops, Sex and the City and Bridesmaids. Black people can’t open moves. Um, sorry Tyler Perry, we can’t hear you. We can’t hear you. It goes on and on.
But Hollywood still stuffs money into films because … DUDES. And yet we saw this year The Lone Ranger (which, let’s face it, was a huge WTF of a movie to begin with) get its ass handed to it by The Heat. And Gravity breaking records at the box office. And this past weekend the double shot of Frozen and Catching Fire.
Of course when you say this stuff you get the pushback from the dudebros who mansplain you and tell you that it just doesn’t work that way.
Well yesterday the NY Times editorial board weighed in (bold is mine)
There’s a tendency in the film world to conclude that if a female-led movie failed, it’s because it was female-led. When Disney’s “The Princess and the Frog” fell short of expectations in 2009, it resurrected the cliché that boys won’t see “girl” movies. This summer an emailwent around from a Legendary Pictures representative that described “the presence of a female action hero” as a “tough sell.” The email cited “Sucker Punch,” a 2011 fantasy action movie, which starred a woman and underperformed in ticket sales. (It also received poor reviews.)
Yet before “Sucker Punch” there was “Lara Croft: Tomb Raider,” “Alien,” and the “Kill Bill” movies. And before “The Princess and the Frog” there was “Pocahontas” and “The Little Mermaid.” “Frozen” and “Catching Fire” add to the long list of films showing that there’s no market-based excuse for the dearth of female leads.
Make sure you read the whole thing.
Will this change anything? I hope so but there are still issues. Just this week we just learned that Wonder Woman has to get on the big screen in Superman movie rather than her own film.
But I think you can only keep saying women don’t open at the box office or women don’t like action movies or female leads so many times when even the NY Times is calling you on your bullshit.
I’ll know I’ll be copying and pasting those paragraphs in a lot of places around the internet for a long time.
It’s time to celebrate the holidays with the women of DC and today we have wonderful visit with the big guy.
The March solicits for DC should start hitting tomorrow and I am hearing that the month will bring another female led one-shot. In February, DC Comics will have both a Lois Lane and Joker’s Daughter one shot written by the new go to female writer at DC, Marguerite Bennett.
For March I am hearing there may be a Suicide Squad: Amanda Waller one-shot. Waller, aka The Wall, debuted in comics almost 25 years, ago is one of the most widely seen women of color in DC’s superhero IP. In addition to appearing in comics, Waller has appeared in animation, the Smallville TV show, the Green Lantern movie and has recently been added to the cast of Arrow.
One would assume that she would be one of the leads in the Suicide Squad movie.
Waller was one of the most controversial changes of the new 52 going from a middle-aged women of size to a younger and svelter character.
While I’m not happy with what they did to Amanda Waller, there aren’t a lot of black women around the DCU and I’ll be happy to see her get some focused attention.
Do you think Gal will bulk up for the role? One of the things I always admired about Wonder Woman was that she has definition and bulk in her muscles. Being someone who will never be stick thin, it gave me motivation when working out to aim for strength and definition, rather than shrinking down to something I will never be.
I don’t know. They had Cavill bulk up for Superman but I don’t know what their approach will be for Wonder Woman.
Since you didn't even answer my previous ask I'm just going to say. That casting directors use that excuse to white wash everything. Proper representation in media is important. But thanks for ignoring all of that and just reiterating your opinion. You should change the name of this blog to white-dcwomenkickingass
I can see your point that if ethnicity doesn’t matter it could be used to white wash roles. But my take was the person was saying he didn’t understand why fans had a problem with raceblind casting = hence the reference to limiting actors.
Of course proper representation is important. When have I said it wasn’t? Of course I want race blind casting. I think I just mentioned Kerry Washington as Wonder Woman earlier this evening. I’m not sure what you think my opinion is.
While I personally always air on the side of optimism when casting decisions are made(mostly after the success of Heath Ledger's Joker) I understand the hesitation, and wanting a stronger actress for Wonder Woman, seeing as it is an incredibly iconic role, and so much hinges on this performance in regards to the character herself and future movies.
Well let’s hope for the best at this point.
Did you really respond to an ask that said, " Im a mostly white male myself and I can never really understand why the ethnicity of a character a movie is a huge deal," With "I wish there were more people like you?" Are you kidding me? If there really were more people like that the movies would be more of a giant white male circle jerk. Do you know how many people I see in the movies that look like me and are not maids or mechanics? Maybe one every five years. So you need to rethink that opinion.
Why did you leave off the last half of his comments? His complete comment is below. You left off the bolded parts.
am a mostly white male myself and I can never really understand why the ethnicity of a character a movie is a huge deal, I mean the physiques of superheroes are improbable already, but limiting ethnicity means there’s only a handful of choices.
Now maybe I’m an idiot and read this wrong but it would seem to me he is pointing out that he doesn’t understand why people make an issue the ethnicity of an actor because if we consider ethnicity we limit the actors who can play those roles
Which, of course, I agree with and have written about many, many times.
What do you think of Jamie Alexander playing Wonder Woman one day? I know she is in Thor as Sif. I am just curious to hear what you think. :)
I had hoped that she play the role. Not sure why she didn’t. Perhaps a contract with Marvel. If she wasn’t cast now you won’t see her play the role, I think.
I read somewhere that Fans of Wonder Woman did not want Gina Carano as Wonder Woman. I was wondering your take on her possibly as wonder woman?
I think I’ve been pretty clear that my hope for Wonder Woman was an actress with a proven set of acting chops and range.
Carano isn’t a very good actress.
Personally, I think Gadot is a reasonable choice for the role given her background in training and ability, but that's not what i'm here to talk about. I'm just thinking that you seem to be a little bit one-sided when it comes to blaming DC for no Wonder Woman movie. What about Marvel? They made Elektra a few years back, and that's it. They gotta take part of the blame for female superhero movies. At least DC has made a very nice animated movie (and one coming soon) for/with Wonder Woman.
Personally I’d hope for more than a “reasonable” choice but that’s me. I’m not sure why you think I’m being one sided?Marvel has featured Black Widow in three movies. The X-Men have a casts of female characters almost equal to the men. Yes, they have not had a female led film but neither do they have a character as well known as Wonder Woman, who has never had a big screen movie. How many female superheroes from DC have been in movies in the past 75 years?
am a mostly white male myself and I can never really understand why the ethnicity of a character a movie is a huge deal, I mean the physiques of superheroes are improbable already, but limiting ethnicity means there's only a handful of choices.
I wish there were more folks like you.
Do you think actresses of the caliber you're looking for stayed away from Wonder Woman because of the high risk-low reward? New York mag showed that, except for RDJ, Bale & Jackman, superhero actors had low audience awareness. Their superhero success hasn't followed them to their other films (see: "Rush"). And worst case, you could be the next Brandon Routh: limited career options & people hate you for ruining a truly iconic character. Maybe risk it w/a better director and writer …?
The last two DC Superhero movies had Anne Hathaway and Amy Adams in roles that they auditioned for. Both are top actresses who have won critical acclaim throughout their careers. Hathaway has an Oscar. Adams has been nominated four times. Now you could say that neither role was a “true superhero” For that you’d have to go to Marvel where you have Scarlett Johanson, a Oscar nominated and Tony award winning actress.
So the idea the actresses of the caliber I’m looking for staying away for Wonder Woman, while a possibility, seems to be that strong given the facts I’ve just presented.
What would you think about Lena Heady as Wonder Woman? From what I've seen in Game of Thrones, I think she definitely has the commanding presence to pull WW off, as well as an underlying vulnerability/compassion. Gina Torres would also be a top pick for me!
Both great actresses proven by their wide body of work who would clearly have the acting chops to play the role.